
Doom Town. Tract #088. Art by Hildebrandt(?) - © 1989 Chick Publications
Doom Town - Tract #088 (DOOM)
Art by Hildebrandt(?) - © 1989 Chick Publications
First Published: June 8th, 2025
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| Welp, here we are again. Another Pride Month, another homophobic Chick Tract. This time we're covering the classic 1989 tract Doom Town, but you may have already noticed the twist. Where's the pride rally? Where's the sweaty dudes making out? Didn't we already DO Doom Town? Why do all the guys look so off from Carter’s usual style?
Well there's an explanation for all of that. First of all, Doom Town isn't Chick's first Doom Town. He rewrote the whole thing in 1991, so effectively we've got a Secret Extra Tract of the same name now. Secondly, since we believe he is no longer with us, we want to talk about The Third Artist. Greg Hildebrandt was a fantasy artist who alongside his twin brother Tim, made up one half of The Brothers Hildebrandt. They did iconic illustrations based on the works of Tolkien (available at occult bookstores) Greg would also draw one of the original Star Wars posters, and numerous album covers for the Trans-Siberian Orchestra. He also illustrated a handful of Chick Tracts. We think. Allegedly. Okay, so hear me out here. In 2004, Kurt Kuersteiner (a collector on such friendly terms with Chick that he's cameoed in TWO tracts to date) released his book The Art of Jack T. Chick. In it, he presents compelling evidence of a Greg Hildebrandt working at Chick Publications in the late 80s, illustrating a handful of the tracts in what is now the “Stories From The Bible” series, and seems pretty sure that it's the same guy. That or there was another guy with the same name working in the same area with a very similar art style. We must mention however that we have been unable to independently verify any of this. Our intrepid reporter Toad asked Hildebrandt’s agent about this and was told in no uncertain terms to “fuck off.” We'd also be remiss if we didn't mention that since releasing his book, Kuersteiner seems to be content to rest on his laurels spewing out all manner of bigoted slop to his Facebook page. Chick Publications for their part have been relatively unhelpful too, acknowledging that “others” besides Fred Carter have drawn for Chick but not elaborating further. As for the tracts themselves, only one (Killer Storm) remains in print today. The others are either out of print, or have been redrawn at least in part by Fred Carter. |
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| When it comes to the topic of homosexuality, Chick never did pull any punches. As was pointed out back in our coverage of The Gay Blade, he did not take kindly to the pushback he received following his first attempt at “lovingly sharing the gospel message with the homosexual community”. One can almost imagine something snapping inside him and him muttering to himself “Those pillow biters think that's bigoted? Well, I'll show them! I'll draw Sodom getting completely vaporized no less than half a dozen times and say ‘See that? That’s you guys right there! That's what happens when you don't listen to me and my best buddy Jesus!” Then he sat down and realized “Wait a minute… I'm actually not all that good at drawing fire. Maybe I should get Fred to do it.” and Fred was like “Aw, come on Jack. I'm still tapped out after copying those Doré woodcuts and sketching out all those muscly, hulking demons. I'm completely spent.” And then, in the process of doing “research” for Dark Dungeons, he stumbles upon a very talented and well established artist in the Fantasy / Sci Fi scene and says “THAT'S THE MAN FOR US!!!” I can only imagine what that interview sounded like.
Still, as Dot mentioned, all of this is strictly theory and conjecture, so please be sure to take every mention of the late Hildebrandt in this dissection as being preceded by a large, bolded, flashing „ALLEDGEDLY“. For the second time around, we are proud to bring you this take down of the original version of Doom Town. |
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| Thank you most kindly for the excellent introductions, Dot and Jessica.
As I will delve into further down the tract, there are numerous issues with the justifications used by the tract. I will be making sure that my dissection tools are ready - I suspect they are going to be getting quite a bit of work with this particular tract and its topic of choice, and I intend to notarize my findings. I admit personal intrigue into this version of Doom Town and how much it differs from the later release, since, as alluded to by Dot in the introduction, the ‘song’ between releases of this tract may have significant differences. I also hope that I do not wind up with another case of being 'incensed' (to put it politely), but perhaps things will play out differently this time. |
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| A note on the scans. By default you'll be seeing an “A” print of Doom Town from Jessica's collection. If you mouse over the images, you'll also see a “D” print, recently obtained by me. The A (and I believe B) print is drawn entirely by the Third Artist, whereas the D (and I believe C) print features partially redrawn art by Fred Carter. All editions after this feature the better known 1991 rewrite with all Carter art (which itself got a revision in 1999). And yes, the tract’s cover got redrawn to its modern rendition before the rest of the tract did. Needless to say, this means that Doom Town is something of a clusterfuck for collectors. | |
| It is quite intriguing as (aside from the cover) there have been virtually no changes to the actual text, dialog, or basic layout of the piece. Generally, whenever Jack would go back and perform one of his 1984-esque hatchet jobs on a tract, there would usually be minor tweaks to fix spelling or grammar mistakes, the occasional panel would be slightly zoomed in or out to better frame or highlight certain objects, or even just the dialog balloons would slightly shift about due to the expedient nature of the machine lettering process. The art in his Spellbound comic was revised more than three separate times to replace the 8-track cartridges with audio cassettes and finally with compact discs. You get none of that here. Pretty much all Carter did was redraw over some of Hildebrandt's heads, which would prove to be good practise for him as he would do the same to some of Chick’s own art for his “Black Audiences” adaptations later on down the line. Completely redoing art of this calibre and complexity is certainly no simple task, and it really makes you wonder just what it was about Greg's art that bothered those two enough to make them put in all that effort for such minor tweaks. | |
I do find the tag message about how the tract is a compassionate plea to repent quaint in a way, especially in combination with the cover art of the version done by this ‘third artist’. Last I checked, a "compassionate plea to repent" did not involve burning the homes of a population down. Though, I can already think of some proclamations that would be in-line with the message if it were the case:
Bathe in my compassionate fire! Receive my searing conflagration of kindness! Let my mercy reduce all to ash! Taste the consuming fires of my forgiveness! An even more pertinent question though… why does that sound like something I would hear if a group of religious extremists were to want to burn my house down? And am I permitted to “fight fire with fire” as the expression goes? |
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| Nothing says Christian Love like a terrifying variant of the Tower Major Arcana. Fitting given not just the destruction of Sodom, but also the disastrous misinterpretation of the story by modern Christianity. | |
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| “It's-a me, MARIO! Mamma mia… nobody a-talks to me like that! He didn't even laugh atta my hilarious Traveling Salesman joke!!!” | |
| *sighs disappointedly* I see we are off to a magnificent start. You are planning to kill someone because they did not laugh at your joke. If I were to guess, you probably tried to tell a joke about how you have two different weights and measures in your house and bag and as a result, Lot considers you an abomination because of the different weights and measures.
As for why I mention it, because I have a… fondness if you will, for a test involving a person’s justifications and applying it against them, to see whether they will perhaps see the error of their rationale. Case in point... since you wish to murder this person because they did not laugh at your joke, if I were to tell you a joke, do I have the right of way to kill you if you do not genuinely laugh at it? |
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| What, is God looking down from Heaven and declaring “I will destroy the city of Sodom, for their patter is pure shite” now?
Cuz buddy, I can tell you who gets mad at me when I find their offensive jokes unfunny and it sure as fuck ain't The Gays. |
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| Yeah, The Gays wouldn’t make ‘jokes’ such as expressing a desire to do horrible things to other people (such as women and minorities), and then turning around and declaring that it was a joke when people get upset.
I think Lot just rolled his eyes at this guy and then he took it as an insult. Typical heathen overreaction. |
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| Actually, now that I really think about it, our friend here kinda resembles Ron Jeremy instead, especially in Carter's rendition. I'd assume he'd be rather prosperous in a town like Sodom given his particular… endowments. | |
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| “O Lord, these people make me sick. All they ever talk about is filth.”
You and me both, Lot… …you and me both, buddy. |
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| You chose to live there (the Plains of Jordan to be exact, and as you kindly show us on the upcoming pages), and considering that God (and possibly Abraham) knew Sodom was exceedingly wicked, you could have just moved away from Sodom and gone elsewhere, such as Zoar. Instead, you decide to complain and God agrees to test the population and raze their homes to the ground if they fail the test.
And to refer to the ‘revised’ edition. I am almost certain this point has been made before, but HIV is not a homosexual-only disease. What about people who share needles (intravenous drug use) and their partners for example? Or heterosexual men who cannot keep their penis in their pants and their partners? |
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| Hell, even heterosexual women who have been practicing safe sex are particularly vulnerable to HIV.
Still though, Lot’s definitely the kind of guy who would move into a progressive neighborhood and then complain and pray to God about it when the neighbors are actually progressive. |
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| So, spoilers for ahead I guess, but when Lot moved in, did the locals try to bugger him and all like they did with the visiting angels? Would that not have given him second thought? Or are we suggesting that the place was okay to move in and raise kids when he got there but then it Got Worse? | |
| I like to think Lot just sauntered into town one day like he was Cock of the Walk and decided he was going to gentrify the place and the working class people already living there just weren't having any of it. | |
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| If I am kind to those who are nice to me and curse those who are mean to me, I get called evil, selfish, spiteful and so on. How very curious... | |
| Holy shit, hold on a goddamn minute. Lot had herds of cattle? Which he presumably took with him down to the big city? So he had a farm there I guess?
So, quick question, what happened to all of them? When God doesn't destroy Nineveh in the book of Jonah, he explains that he takes the lives of the local livestock into account before he starts smashing shit, so he's just fully on board with killing all the cows this time? Were there chemicals in the water that turned the freaking cows gay? |
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| Well, animal homosexuality isn’t exactly the freak phenomenon that conservatives think it is. God appeared to try and stop it in this tract, but today we have more homosexual animal pairings than before. Maybe he should have just let the oxen free. | |
| Old Smites-a-Lot certainly didn't show any compunction with killing animals (or with ordering the killing of animals) elsewhere in his big instruction manual. Something tells me he just gets a real hard-on for a well-done steak. | |
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| You know, in a lot of the Third Artist tracts the artwork is kinda mid, and if it IS Hildebrandt he's very clearly not firing on all cylinders with this work, but I gotta say I quite like this panel, although I did double take a couple times because that stick the central guy is welding looks alarmingly like a shotgun. | |
| Considering how much land was available for the both of you to have cattle (as you see on the next page), why did this happen at all? Did it really take your herdsmen getting into fights to work out that you could just both go to different areas for your cattle? | |
| I think a better solution would be to just hire better-behaved herdsmen. | |
| In all likelihood, both Abraham's and Lot’s herdsmen (if either man even really existed) were probably slaves. Given some of the rules the Bible explicitly lays out for how you can deal with the living human beings you've claimed as your own personal property, it would make more sense for both to just beat the living hell out of their shepherds to restore order and ensure compliance. Just so long as they didn't do any permanent damage it's “no harm, no foul” right? | |
| Oh that’s right, I forgot! It’s more important to beat your slaves within an inch of their lives than teach them more trifling things like, oh I dunno, healthy ways to resolve a conflict. Silly me! | |
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| The panels that Carter redrew seem a little arbitrary sometimes but this wide shot shows quite nicely the stylistic difference between the two men, with Hildebrandt’s style slightly more cartoonish than Carter. | |
| Based on this depiction, Lot chose selfishly, but was not aware of Sodom being there. Is it meant to be a lesson about not being selfish if you are given two choices? Or are you trying to convey that the next time you are given two choices, pick the one you know at the time is worse for you. That way, if misfortune does befall you, you cannot complain, and if it happens to have an unknown benefit, then you can celebrate. | |
| This reminds me of a trope that crops up in fairy tales and folklore: parents offering their kids going off on a journey a choice of two cakes, a large cake with a curse and a small cake with a blessing. Which really makes me ask: Why would you curse a cake? And why would you waste so much cake? | |
| The intention of cursing a cake could be an allegory for something that is traditionally and/or visually associated with ‘sweetness’ (or royalty and decadence in centuries past) being as though poison on the inside. Another depiction (though not pertaining to food items, but with a similar idea and less curses) is the three caskets of gold, silver and lead and their respective slogans in Shakespeare’s The Merchant of Venice in order to be considered ‘suitable’ for Portia’s hand in marriage.
As for why they chose cakes… centuries ago, cakes were generally foods associated with the wealthy, rather than the common folk. The wealthy elite, in all their decadence and other frivolous trappings (social politics for example), were often detached and paid no mind to the circumstances of the less fortunate, doing essentially nothing to alleviate their suffering and help their fellow man. Qu'ils mangent de la brioche, as it were. It is actually quite fitting nowadays, considering the current circumstances of the world and certain countries, as well as Chick and his seeming recurring messages of not practicing the Christian teachings around helping the poor and needy (as we discuss later). |
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| Experiments have been conducted with children which shows that those who can grasp the concept of delayed gratification demonstrate better performance later in life. While these conclusions have been called into question in recent years, the fact that we see one of the so-called Biblical “heroes” demonstrate a similar lack of basic willpower is extraordinarily telling. The fact that his daughters also seem to have the same difficulties in this area shows that this kind of impulsiveness can be passed down from parent to child. The fact that so many modern Christians also exhibit this same flaw suggests that it is tradition and environment rather than genetics which can cause this deficiency to propagate from one generation to the next. | |
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| Was not the whole triggering event to do with their respective herdsmen fighting each other over grazing land? What does Lot leaving the “man of God” have to do with it?
And side point, but the world was already dark, even before this event, and if the story of the Bible prior to this point is anything to go from. Lot already was in a world of darkness as it were, even before Sodom existed and before he decided to move there. Was it not when ‘sin’ entered the world due to the events in the Garden that the world became dark? |
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| I think the tract was mentioning that Lot was starting to play a tabletop game called World of Darkness.
But yeah, did Lot just want to go as far away from conflict as possible? Isn’t moving into Sodom inviting conflict instead? |
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| I think it's worth asking the question whether Lot was even aware of the kind of people who lived in Sodom before he chose to move there. From the sound of things, he was just looking for a decent place to park his animals away from his crazy-ass uncle. Is it really Lot's fault if he didn't know the area was infested with gays? It's not like he could just look the place up on Redfin or something.
…and after he arrived and saw how positively fabulous the inhabitants were, why didn't he just pack up again and go someplace else? It's not like he was there first and Sodom sprung up around him. If you have a serious philosophical objection to gay people and you mistakenly move into the Castro District because it’s just so gosh-darned convenient to the Bay Area, do you stay there and fume over how many gay bars the place has, or do you just bite the bullet and move to Oakland? |
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| The NAME depicts an act of homosexuality? Are the letters fucking? | |
| It does have those two “O's” in there. If that isn't a coded invitation for DP, I don't know what is!
In all seriousness, though… I'm sure the term Chick was actually groping for was “describes”. Hire a proofreader, Jack! |
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| It’s likely a reference to how names and words can change meaning over time, depending on how popular different usages become. For instance, in the Bible there is a man called Nimrod who was deemed a great hunter. But then in Looney Tunes, Bugs Bunny sarcastically called Elmer Fudd ‘Nimrod’, and because of that the word Nimrod nowadays is used to call someone an idiot. Thanks, Bugs! | |
| *sighs deeply* You went from saying how the city was under the control of Satan because of idol worship, to a sudden hard turn to try and force a point about how they were engaging in sexual perversions. As for the whole statement on the origins of ‘sodom’ as a word to refer to an act of homosexuality, it depends on how you choose to interpret certain words (one of them being the Hebrew word yâda) and whether you consider it a euphemism or not. Which might be worth asking people who are more knowledgeable about the origins of the word itself. Context is important, especially since the word ‘homosexual’ has an etymology that does not come from Hebrew or Greek.
You also point to Genesis 13:13, but there isn’t any mention of what exactly makes Sodom wicked and full of sinners, if you read from the start of Genesis up to this point. It does not say anything about their supposed sin and wickedness until the incident involving the angels. Please kindly forgive me if I choose to express cynicism that the individual and associated company who wrote tracts like Lisa, Wounded Children and Home Alone? might not be one hundred percent honest in their statements and twist things to suit their fearmongering agenda to push corrupted and perverted drivel to try to scare people. |
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| They “did only evil ALL the time”? That sounds absolutely exhausting! Actually think about that for a second.
I know Chick needs to paint the “Sodomites” as having absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever so as to better justify their inevitable holocaust… but how would that honestly work? How would a city that actually functions that way last more than a few weeks at most? |
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| I get it, Jessica. It’s no different than an edgy writer putting together a massively Grimdark setting that only makes that writer look like an idiot. | |
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| The real thing you gotta wonder is who at Chick Publications felt grossest, and who SHOULD feel grossest. The Third Artist, commissioned to draw a child about to be abused, Fred Carter, given the job of redrawing said child, or Jack Chick, whose vision for this tract just wasn't complete apparently unless it had a drawing of an underdressed child about to be abused. | |
| Genesis 18:20 does not say anything about child molestation - just that they have committed grievous sins. Dredging my earlier point, what exactly are their grievous sins at this point in the Genesis narrative? It is never clarified at all. It could be their lack of helping the poor and needy and poor hospitality rather than this angle you push, Chick, especially since you include a reference to 2 Peter 2:6-8 in the revision of this tract. And do you notice the lack of certain words? Such as 'homosexuality' and 'sodomy'? Instead it says things like 'ungodly', 'wicked' and 'unlawful deeds'. Which are able to be applied to actions like 'lying' and 'false witness'... words that I can say may be applicable to you.
That said, between this, ignoring the words of Ezekiel and your tract Macho, I am noticing a theme in which you seem to resent the idea of Christians helping the poor and needy… something that is actually encouraged of Christians as part of their practices and teachings. After all, faith without good works is dead. |
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| God heard the cries of the children, but we don’t get any mention of them being brought out of Sodom right before it burned. Gives some heinous implications that Lot is more worthy of being rescued than the abused young children.
At least this version doesn’t have the hairy backed man… *shudder* |
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| Since both versions (this version and the ‘revised version’ as indicated by Jessica) imply child sexual abuse, as well as the theme being present in Lisa and other tracts, I suppose you enjoy invoking a certain defense to try to paint detractors of your message as evil.
One problem (for those who think like you, Chick) is that a large threat to children is also arguably the person who wrote and pushes your corrupted narrative (and other such narratives that you aim at children). Considering the cries of the children who may have read some of your works, I profess sadness that God has yet to investigate you (and others who think as you do) and at minimum, puts to action the words spoken in Exodus 22:23-24. That would be quite the spectacle and a fitting fate for those who endangers children via words and/or actions, no? *smirks* |
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| Considering both of you seem to be working off the same train of thought that the city is beyond redemption despite no evidence of this in Genesis up to this point, why not simply just be honest and say you want to destroy it because destruction is fun? | |
| They at least bothered to send a prophet to Nineveh before burning the place to the ground, even over his own protestations. Whatever it was the Ninevites might have been up to, it clearly was far more deserving of mercy than a bunch of butt stuff, right? | |
| While the idea of bargaining with God like He is a human (instead of an omnipotent, omniscient deity) is quite humorous to me, I have a question. If all you care about is Lot, why not just ask God to teleport him out of the city? Why this diatribe with negotiating and debating? | |
| I keep forgetting that God Himself shows up in this bit of the story and he just presents as a regular guy. It's even funnier in context because God is mainly passing by to let Abraham know that his wife's going to be a mum next year, and actually has a little moment as He's about to leave where He ponders over whether or not to bother telling Abraham that He's about to blow up his nephew's house. | |
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| The Bible includes every single part of this negotiatory haggle in excruciating detail to the point where I'm not sure you could adapt it word for word without it coming across as comedic, which I guess is why Chick just skips it all here. Honestly the fact that Chick then adds the caption of “Abraham knew the city was still fucked” just kind of reflects badly on him as well for not just cutting to the quick of “Dude my nephew is down there with his family.” Come to think of it, I don't think he ever finds out that Lot and his daughters survived. | |
| It does have a sort of “Who's on First?” kind of absurdity to the whole thing, doesn't it? According to some who ascribed to the Documentary Hypothesis, there are scholars who argue that this kind of humanization of old “Smites-A-Lot” by allowing him to basically be haggled down after the fact points to this particular bit of the Pentateuch likely being penned by the “J” (or J/Yahwist) author. But you know who most certainly didn't write it? Moses… who by all accounts almost certainly never even existed. | |
| Abraham, Abraham… a simple question for you, if I may. If you knew the city had to be destroyed no matter what you bargained with God… what was the point of negotiating about the number of people then? This makes it seem like God knew all along and was simply humoring you. You and your wife did decide to laugh at Him in Genesis 17:15-17 and Genesis 18:12-13 after all.
I also imagine that it would be kind of similar to when you give someone hope, looking for the moment their hopes are highest… just to subsequently crush those hopes and see their lamentations. |
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| This is far from the last time that God acts petty with his own favorites, either. In the Book of Job, when Job curses the day of his birth, laments all the misfortune befallen on him and goes so far as to ask why God would cause such horrific things to happen like give him Leprosy and kill off all his children, God responds back. Not with any reassurance or explanation, but a massive boast in the tone of ‘Can you do all the things that I can?’ Not exactly the kind of response you’d expect or want from an all-knowing and purportedly all-loving deity, is it? | |
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| Not gonna lie this panel kinda makes me question whether or not the guy who draw this is actually Hildebrandt, because as far as I can tell he's a legit good artist who can actually draw a nude figure with no issues, which raises the question of what in the actual FUCK is going on with the emaciated twink’s chest and nipples on the left. | |
| I'm somewhat inclined to agree. Unlike female breasts, male chests aren't all that hard to pull off, and that twink's nipple does seem to somehow have its own “Mona Lisa Effect” going on.
Plus, the less said about Rumpleforeskin there sniggering next to him, the better. |
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| *sigh* And so begins our descent into the seemingly common take by those who wilfully use religion to try to feebly excuse and justify violence and hatred to others in direct contradiction of their own belief and its teachings.
Based on the verses you linked (Genesis 19:2-3), I can very much argue that it is a hospitality element. Indeed, beings like angels would not turn up with wings showing and give away they are angels that easily. The entire premise of these two verses can be considered a demonstration of hospitality, since Lot himself calls them ‘lords’, and offers his home for them to stay in as they were likely visiting him, which is what good hosts do. To banish expected guests when they arrive at your house is a sign of disrespect, irrespective of whether the person happens to be a divine being or not. |
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| Throughout the tract so far, Carter's revisions seem to have mostly been about reshaping various character's elongated heads. So, why did we overlook these two gremlins here? Are they allowed to remain hideous because they're gay men? That didn't manage to stop you up on Page 2. Would it have just been too difficult to fix given how busy the background behind them is here?
Seriously guys, why the long, hideously distended faces? |
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| *scowls* Truly spineless and pathetic to throw your daughters under the bus there, Lot. I have little tolerance for parents who treat their children as sacrificial lambs to save themselves, or treat their children as indebted servants. There are people in this world who, in my view, should never be parents, though it is not in my hands to decide who. That said…
I have a high degree of confidence that almost no reasonable parent would offer their own children in such a situation and would rather die to protect their children. Yet the inner conflict rages as it were - my idealism in the inherent good in humanity is tempered by cynicism. I would not be surprised if people who feel justified in excusing their own spiteful and hateful actions because of events like this in the Bible would also, by extension, offer their own children in a similar circumstance as Lot. Which is contrary to the Bible and warrants a millstone around the neck as per Bible teaching. |
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| Apparently it’s supposed to indicate that the men of the city were morally long gone. “Oh my goodness! They would pass up not just one, but two perfectly lovely women who are also virgins! What kind of… of degenerate would pass up such an extravagant offering! I bet Lot must have been appalled that his brave sacrifice has gone unheeded! *clutches pearls and faints*” | |
| Judging from the size of that crowd, I don't think two women nor two angels are gonna last them very long. We all saw how this same kind of situation panned out a few books later. | |
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| Oh, the demons drove them on did they, aye? Come on Jack, are people supposed to take accountability for their own actions or not? | |
| Would you say the angels “blinded them with blindness”?
I'm sorry… that will never stop being funny to me. |
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| Why bother with blinding them when you could just turn the people to ash, especially since you intend to destroy the city with everyone except for Lot and his family in it anyway? Or is this some sort of game-based reasoning, where you need to crowd control the enemies to avoid certain mechanics? It is still asinine in either case, especially since the angels are the functional equivalent of moderators with instant kill/ban abilities.
Perhaps they did not want to deal with the paperwork and have their boss do the killing instead. The joys of bureaucracy indeed, especially if God was actually running a company back then. |
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| Seems strange that the in-laws aren't implied to have been in the crowd honestly. I guess to be fair they ARE engaged to women, but if there's one thing we know about Lot it's that he'll give his own kids away to anyone that turns up looking for a shag. | |
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| In which the Lord has to have the angels resort to physically dragging them out of the city rather than say… teleporting them to safety, using a divine barrier to shield them from the destruction, containing the destruction within a divine bubble or disabling friendly fire.
It is not like it is outside the remit of God and his omnipotent abilities to do any of those things. |
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| Not much of a rush if they got to dick around until daybreak before trying to get the hell out of Dodge, was it? You'd think they would be a bit more urgent with their attempts to reach minimum safe distance. | |
| You'd think a man convinced that the Bible is free of contradiction wouldn't go about introducing MORE of them. If God and the angels can't blow up Sodom until Lot has made off to safety, then why is it a mad rush that he get out of the city RIGHT NOW or he'll be killed/lost? Could Lot hold off the massacre indefinitely by delaying his departure? | |
| You forgot what happened just earlier? He lived through a homophobe’s worst nightmare, so of course he would be in a hurry to get out of the city that almost saw him become their human trafficking victim. | |
| Okay, fair, but then why do the angels still have to physically drag the stupid bastard out? | |
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| I see you left out Genesis 19:25, which says that on top of the cities, God also burned the land itself and all the vegetation. Now I am actually curious how the ground and vegetation rebelled against God, as my understanding was that soil and vegetation could not actively rebel or sin against God, let alone decide to wilfully engage in behaviours such as poor hospitality, or even homosexuality and other sins. So why did they have to be burnt to ashes?
And before people try to argue “corruption due to the sins of Sodom” or some other ‘guilt by association’ rationale… this is yet another one of those ‘test’ moments. So by application and extension of argument, if a random Christian (for arguments’ sake, let us use a fundamentalist evangelical) was to subsequently engage in sin (let us choose the sin of of lack of hospitality to guests/strangers for arguments’ sake), does that give right of way to subsequently burn his house and neighbourhood to the ground? |
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| Plants are the most promiscuous shaggers of them all. Of course God had to deal with them. | |
| Your average plant does have an annoying habit of shamelessly presenting itself to every passing pollinating insect that will give it the time of day and just wantonly spraying their bunk on every available surface during certain times of the year. I'd wager it isn't all that different from how dudes like Chick envision a Pride parade to look. | |
| I can’t help but notice the irony of depicting Abraham looking over the ruins of Sodom. If he does it, that’s well and good, but if Lot’s wife does it she gets turned into a pillar of salt. I mean why punish the people who have lived in the very place that was being destroyed for having some sort of feelings of missing it? | |
| I wonder if some older version of the story had Lot's Wife running back into the burning city, and at some point in retelling it escalated to OOOOH, SHE LOOKED, GET SALTED, IDIOT. | |
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| GOD DOES NOT HAVE A STEAM ACCOUNT?! | |
| Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
But seriously, this sort of “Black-and-White” thinking is so incredibly ridiculous. What if you believe neither God nor the Devil even exists? Haven't you jackwagons ever heard of a False Dichotomy? |
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| “God does not play games.” That does not sound like a fun time if I’m stuck with him forever. Does the Devil play games? I wonder if he plays Black Desert. | |
| I wish the source text (Leviticus 20:10 and Deuteronomy 22:21-22) actually stated that a man cheating on his wife with an unmarried woman was stoned to death, as they should be at a bare minimum (or perhaps they ought to be bathed in fire). This should include the verses after Deuteronomy 22:22, irrespective of whether the woman is married or not and where it occurs. It is also a much more merciful punishment than what I can dream up, especially since I remember that district I stayed in several centuries ago. *smiles fondly* Now that was a good solution to dealing with rapists, even if I would have favoured worse punishments.
As for this particular discussion, Leviticus was written two books after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah in the chronology of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus and Leviticus), which occurred after Moses wrote the Commandments. If we are going to go down this road of condemnation (such as Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13), then you really ought to be aware of Leviticus 19:18-19 and Leviticus 19:33-35. You do not get to decide what rules apply and when just because you feel like it, or because said rules apply and cause you inconvenience. I believe the term for those who choose which rules they follow and which rules they do not follow with such things is ‘hypocrites’. And lest you aim to accuse me of bearing false witness, I am not without evidence of your willful hypocrisy. |
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*sighs deeply* You left a lot of Romans 1:29-32 out and chose to focus only on the fornication elements. Now I can only assume that you chose to omit them in your paraphrasing on the assumption that the people who read your drivel would actually believe it at face value, blindly accepting what you say as truth without double checking. As you wish to proclaim judgment, I can do likewise ('fighting fire with fire' as it were...). Of the ‘crimes’ detailed in Romans 1:29-32, the ones that apply to you and your kind of believers are:
"Unrighteousness, wickedness, maliciousness, debate, deceit, malignity, whisperers, despiteful, inventors of evil things, without understanding and unmerciful"As your stance is that the crimes detailed in Romans are "deserving of death" (as you have chosen to pair it with Leviticus 18:29 as part of your argument), the same standard shall be applied to your crimes. This takes your count to eleven...or twelve if I include the one for murder.*smiles eeriely* Remember that 'test' I mentioned a fondness for earlier? This is another such case where I would apply such a test. If the crimes as described above are deserving of death as per your stance, do you and your kind deserve what is in line with your own stance? |
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| If my sources are accurate, a man laying with a man wasn’t even the original statement. It was meant to be “If a man lies with a male”, written in the original Aramaic/Hebrew source. Before you say that there’s no difference though, I will mention that this was written in the Greek period, back when ‘pederasty’ (relations between an adult man and a younger man) was common. Back then, ‘male’ referred to a younger man, which meant that the verse was condemning pederasty.
But with the unstated implication that pretty much anyone can lie with a child, it was edited to the homophobic commandment that we see now. |
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| It must be so very convenient to Chick that the Bible puts Leviticus 18:22 bang in between a verse condemning child sacrifice, and a verse condemning bestiality. Makes it nice and easy to conflate all three things.
You'd think it would be a bit more inconvenient though that right after Chick cuts away from the story, Lot and his daughters proceed to violate Leviticus 18:6. |
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| Leviticus 18:22, 18:23, 18:29 and Leviticus 20:13 do not mention anything about a woman lying with another woman. And since you decided to cherry pick 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, I am going to levy another accusation that the words of verse 10 mentioning thieves, revilers and extortioners not inheriting the Kingdom of God was perhaps a bit too close to the truth and hence you omitted it. | |
| I don’t want to have to whip out my McClellan again… but once more, the concept of “homosexuality” recognized by the Biblical authors was completely alien to how we understand that concept today. Sexual intercourse between two individuals was not an expression of love or a sign of affection or commitment. Nor was sexual “orientation” even something they had any concept of. Sex was exclusively a power transfer taking place between a dominant / active individual and a submissive / passive one. The explicit sin that supposedly occurred when two men engaged in penetrative intercourse was that they were both individuals who allegedly sat atop the social hierarchy and by one of them placing themselves into a subordinate role like that was an affront to the natural order. It's why there's virtually no mention of female homosexuality until much later in the Bible (and then practically only in passing) and how it was almost exclusively the receptive partner who took on this kind of theological condemnation. It wasn't until much, much later in history that people started reading in guilt for both parties when it began to be expedient to “other” and denigrate marginalized groups of people. After all, these days even the passenger gets in trouble. | |
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| Romans 1:26-27 could be interpreted as referring to penile-anal intercourse, which is applicable to heterosexual women as well, and men who practice anal intercourse with women. The two verses also seem to imply that it is a punishment from God rather than the abomination you claim it is. You also left out Romans 1:28-31 (with the range of verses being Romans 1:26-32), and your focus on the sexual sins alone makes me think you understand very little, if anything of your source text.
As per the Bible, all sin leads to separation of the individual from God (not just the sexual sins). I wager that those who believe Chick's twisted interpretations of the Bible are guilty of sins, including the sin of hatred against others and the other sins I pointed out on the previous page. Lest you try to argue the rationale of ‘approving of sin means you are just as guilty'...using a sin (such as not treating your neighbours/strangers as you wish to be treated, or being malicious to others) to justify not committing a sin (such as approving of sexual sins) is unto itself, still a sin. |
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| You know what. I DO disagree with the phrase “gay is okay.” Under no circumstances should we be going around telling people, kids even, that “gay is okay”.
Gay is fucking brilliant!!! |
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| So, claiming that “Gay is okay” makes one a “phoney preacher”? Got it. Definitely not a “No True Scotsman” with that one.
…as opposed to the alternative then, right? |
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| Seems that any exposure to gay people out on the street or in media is terrible, and should be covered up to avoid their sexuality getting shoved down anyone’s throats. Don’t want little Ricky to be influenced by them, after all. | |
| A question if I may from all this... Does that mean you (being Chick and others of this ilk) would also be standing before God giving an account of how their hate speech and fundamentalist interpretations resulted in discrimination and violence against others, failing to love thy neighbor as thyself? Or are they going to somehow try to plead that they are not guilty of unrighteousness, which as per their stance from the previous page...warrants death? | |
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| There's really not much to add here. You'd think a new artist would do something to make his mark with a new take, or at least a different take on the old Suffering Christ motif, but there's nothing really here to distinguish this from a Carter. | |
| Carter clearly also apparently thought he couldn't do a better job of drawing a guy on his knees. Personally, I would have thought he'd have jumped at the chance of that for some reason. | |
| With how simple you present salvation to be, it reminds me of an infomercial for one of those "as seen on TV" products. Those products also tend to be mediocre at best and destructive at worst - and I suspect you are in the latter camp with your message. Repentance, absolution and salvation are all things that take a lifetime of work… the notion of it being a simple one time arrangement is laughable at best and deadly at worst. Especially since your corrupted interpretation implies that you can immediately engage in sin (such as maliciousness) post-prayer and you are all set to go to Heaven. Yet, your source text actually says faith alone is meaningless, and that it is faith in combination with good works that will save you...
Something that I have yet to see from you or your kinds of believers, Jack. |
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| Often in rewrites, Chick Tracts will find themselves getting toned town in some way. The Last Generation loses its weird aside about Andrew Lloyd Webber bringing about the downfall of society, and That Crazy Guy doesn't go off on a homophobic tangent any more. This is the opposite, with Chick taking Doom Town out of circulation after barely a couple of years and replacing it with a WAY more explicitly unhinged version. It ends up being interesting as a piece of undercooked first-draft bigotry. It also serves as an interesting illustration of why things ultimately didn't work out between Chick and the Third Artist, with character illustrations being partially replaced by Fred Carter after only a couple of reprints, and the third artist himself being…well, I'd say unpersoned but as far as I can tell it was a LONG time before the publisher even vaguely acknowledged that anyone other than Chick or Carter ever illustrated a tract, and even then only did so in the vaguest of terms. Can't unperson someone if you never personed them in the first place I guess.
And ultimately, if the third artist was Hildebrandt, then honestly good on him for getting out of there before fully tanking his own career. While disappointing that he'd be okay drawing this crap in the first place, if I'd been involved in something this unfathomably embarrassing, I'd probably tell people who brought it up to fuck off too. |
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| My first dissection on a tract regarding homosexuality and a commonly used justification of violence and discrimination against members of the LGTBQIA+ community under the veil of Christianity. I am not surprised that it is a platform piece showing how much hatred you have for them, especially since the later rewrite seems to show this hatred even more.
Even though homosexuality is against Christian teaching, the mere fact you have used such reasons to justify any sort of violence and discrimination against other humans at all despite it not being your place to do so as per what you believe means you know NOTHING about the aspects of Christianity involving kindness, charity, humility and living in peace with others. The rhetoric of hate is that thinly veiled under a facade of righteousness and love that you could substitute homosexuality with almost anything else that does not believe your very specific interpretations (e.g. other denominations such as Catholicism), and it would still be the same intention. Just perhaps with the possibility of less people being set on fire and having their homes destroyed. *scowls, the lights becoming choked with darkness, dimming to mere slivers* Is it not per the Bible that only those without sin can cast the first stone? Or what about “judge not, lest you be judged as well”? Yet this entire tract is spent in the judgment of others. Are you therefore not in violation of your own beliefs? No believer of any religion gets to choose what rules apply and when they do not apply. Especially if the tenets of their belief have elements of kindness to others, not judging others and other such tenets. Does engaging in contradiction of your own beliefs not therefore make you hypocrites? Woe unto you, indeed. *sighs, taking a breath, as the lights return to their original brightness* While I would love to write more, I have to attend to other pressing matters, and I must not tarry, dear readers. Though I shall leave you with two 'items' before I depart. The first is that you are welcome to reach out if so desired, whether by electronic letters or via a program called 'Discord', and shall note that I genuinely enjoy writing letters, for what they are worth in this day and age. The second is to leave you with a well-wish before my departure... May your days and dreams be most kind to you, the roads you travel on in life be straight and smooth, with nary an obstacle or occurance to waylay you, the winds be at your back and the skies blue above you.Until we next meet again, wherever and whenever that may be…*curtseys, before turning and leaving, humming a sorrowful, yet familiar tune* |
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| Back when this tract was first written, it was trendy to hate on gays and blame them for all the terrible things in the world. AIDS was just starting to take off in a big way, and as far as anybody knew it was mostly a disease that affected gay men. This helped to reinforce the general “ickyness” heterosexual society felt for the queer community in general and the newly rising Moral Majority saw it as a perfect candidate for collecting the materiel and labor needed for them to construct their mountain of skulls and castle of pain on their way to infiltrating the political systems of nearly every prominent nation on Earth. Thanks to the bulletproof cloak that is "Freedom of Religion” and the inherent gullibility of mainstream Christians, they've since managed to ride that wave to near total dominance of the social zeitgeist. Chick was certainly no exception to this trend, even if he was merely a footsoldier despite his disturbingly massive and widespread audience. In some ways, we've managed to come quite a long way as a society since the late 70's / early 80's, and yet we've still managed to take massive steps back in others.
Whether or not Hildebrandt was indeed the mysterious “Third Artist” of legend and just decided it was ultimately more lucrative and better for his professional image to draw completely rocking tits Until next time people, keep fighting the good fight. |
Further Reading ⇑ ⇓
- Vintage page at Boolean Union
- Previous dissection at Boolean Union
- Comments Section at Boolean Union
- The Unofficial Guide to the Art of Jack T. Chick: Chick Tracts, Crusader Comics, And Battle Cry Newspapers by Kurt Kuersteiner at Good Reads
Other Reviews & Commentaries ⇑ ⇓ 
- Boolean Union (Original) - https://boolean-union.com/dissections/boolunion/BU.CHICK.DOOM.DISCT.html
- Chick Dissections - http://chickdissections.blogspot.com/2007/10/attack-of-gay-strawmen.html
Parodies ⇑ 
- Hot Chicks segment "Doom Town" (via Archive.org) - Sean learns via "compassionate plea" that homosexuals will face a horrible judgement by God if they do not repent.
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